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« Reply #30 on: July 14, 2010, 12:42:04 PM »

lol...i stand my ground... 'if you cant beat them,join them........
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« Reply #31 on: July 14, 2010, 02:13:40 PM »

Yeah, I'd never ban anyone for using a gun in the game. If it's there, you're free to use it and I have no complaints...

...Except at Ubi for making an already great gun into something so effective  that I just don't get fun out of using it anymore.
It used to be my favorite gun until Hardcore Mode came and it was pretty much an instant kill. Explosives were the thing to use before, but now the AR is pretty much the gun to end all guns in FC2.

I've got nothing against anyone who uses it or anything. I don't look down on people who use it either. Smiley

But some people go around using it all the time and boasting their skills while telling me it's not any better than other guns. Some people will ban for using a sniper or grenade launcher but the AR-16 is fine...  Huh?


In my book, even the Flamethrower is a fair weapon, even though most of the time it's an instant ban. (most commonly used for teamkilling)
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« Reply #32 on: July 14, 2010, 03:09:00 PM »

Think I'll stick to my AK 47 and Nade launcher combo, it's the only set up I can use to any form of effectiveness, lol
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« Reply #33 on: July 14, 2010, 09:22:51 PM »

Yeah, I saw that happen. Especially on the PC version.

Joined some random server and then there's a host message from the server listing like 10 guns that are disallowed and cause an instant ban. The AR was not on the list a single time, while the M1903 was quite a few times. Some hosts completely disallow sniper weapons.

I've also been called a "sniper noob" over there for sniping a gunner off at a distance of 10 feet... WTF is that?

The flamethrower is ok to me. It's a fun weapon to use, but as weird as it is, unpopular like hell, way more unpopular than the AR at all.
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« Reply #34 on: July 19, 2010, 11:23:56 PM »

The LMG's are the easiest weapons to own with in FC2...hands down. If I could remove one weapon from matches that would be it.

I would only allow RPG's and pistols...and make sure Neg is on my team  Grin
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« Reply #35 on: July 20, 2010, 02:43:52 AM »

Seriously, they're not.
The AR-16 is way easier to use than any of the LMGs.

Let's say you're in the following situation: You got a PKM and there's an AR-16-wielding enemy aiming at you from 80 yards away. Do you really think you will own him? No way.

Different situation: You take cover behind a rock, having a PKM, then you pop up and someone stands there, wielding an AR-16, aiming at your head.

It all depends on how good the player is, of course, but let's say, if both have the same skills in this case, and the AR-16 dude will of course easily own the PKM dude in most of the situations.
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« Reply #36 on: July 20, 2010, 07:21:34 AM »

All of the guns are fairly even.  ALL GUNS.  Some are just used for different situations.
It's all a matter of skill of the user.
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« Reply #37 on: July 20, 2010, 10:22:54 AM »

Seriously, they're not.
The AR-16 is way easier to use than any of the LMGs.

Let's say you're in the following situation: You got a PKM and there's an AR-16-wielding enemy aiming at you from 80 yards away. Do you really think you will own him? No way.

Different situation: You take cover behind a rock, having a PKM, then you pop up and someone stands there, wielding an AR-16, aiming at your head.

It all depends on how good the player is, of course, but let's say, if both have the same skills in this case, and the AR-16 dude will of course easily own the PKM dude in most of the situations.

You listed examples that favor the AR-16. I can list examples where the LMG is favored if you want.

IMO, for the average player there is no better weapon than the pay and spray accuracy of the LMG. In any other shooter I've played, any gun with that kind of accuracy and power usually gets nerfed because of the complaints. I can recall many games in FC2 where over half the players would be using the LMG...and there was a reason for that. Perhaps the AR-16 is more prevalent now because most average players are gone, but that doesn't change the weapon's effectiveness.

Let me put it another way, I'd much rather run into a AR-16 user than a LMG user in most confrontations. Regardless, I have nothing but respect for the very skilled players regardless of which weapon they use.



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« Reply #38 on: July 20, 2010, 10:33:52 AM »

All of the guns are fairly even.  ALL GUNS.  Some are just used for different situations.
It's all a matter of skill of the user.

Naaaa, The only time a sniper is better then the ar16 is when the ar16 is out of range. Some opponent was whooping me & my teammates in a match and when I got out the ar16 I started whooping Him and got about 5 kills in a row so its not just skill.

You listed examples that favor the AR-16. I can list examples where the LMG is favored if you want.

IMO, for the average player there is no better weapon than the pay and spray accuracy of the LMG. In any other shooter I've played, any gun with that kind of accuracy and power usually gets nerfed because of the complaints. I can recall many games in FC2 where over half the players would be using the LMG...and there was a reason for that. Perhaps the AR-16 is more prevalent now because most average players are gone, but that doesn't change the weapon's effectiveness.

Let me put it another way, I'd much rather run into a AR-16 user than a LMG user in most confrontations. Regardless, I have nothing but respect for the very skilled players regardless of which weapon they use.


Maybe the people who use the LGM are better at aiming then the ar16 users Huh? . I can't believe that LGM spraying is more deadly because the ar16 is accurate enough out of aim mode, you can can turn it very quickly and it has massive damage.
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« Reply #39 on: July 20, 2010, 11:12:22 AM »

Yes exactly. In most situations gunners will totally get owned by AR-16 users, if the skills of both sides are even. If the gunner has got better skills, then he might beat the AR-16 user at a certain range.

AR-16 is like this: You see an enemy, just point there, 1 burst and he is dead.
The LMGs on the other hand need more shots to kill than the AR, plus there's recoil, which makes aiming harder. Even the PKM has more recoil than the AR it seems. Plus there's the sights. It's way harder to aim with the LMGs' sights than with that green AR dot.

And as PBS said, even in crosshair mode, the AR-16 is deadly. So basically, if you confront an enemy up close, you can jump-dodge his attacks while firing at him from mid air, and believe me, you will hit him rather than he would hit you, unless you're already injured.

What also bugs me about the AR-16 is that on normal mode it remains almost as powerful as on HC mode while all other guns' damage is lowered to 50% of the original damage.
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« Reply #40 on: July 20, 2010, 11:32:26 AM »

The AR-16 is better than the other guns because:

It outranges dang near everything excluding a sniper. Not too many maps have enough range to make the Snipers needed over the AR. (At least, not too many good maps.)

Its damage is extremely high compared to most guns. (One decently placed 3-shot burst and they're dead.)

Its accuracy is way above anything else in the game. Especially when hip-firing. Why should a sniper rifle have a shotgun spread type accuracy when hip-fired but this one suffers little to no accuracy loss?

The whole point of a burst fire gun is to fire in short, accurate bursts. The delay between the bursts is almost non existent. The M-16 and FAMAS of MW2 are just as deadly as the AR-16 but they're more fair because they've got a lot longer delay before you can fire again. As it is, you can pretty much fire full-auto while jumping and running with minuscule accuracy loss and near instant kill bullet damage.

Hitting a moving target is easy, just aim a bit in front and let one or two the 3-shots hit him. Sure you could do that with most guns but these 3-shots will be in a perfect line. Try that with most other guns and the recoil or lack of accuracy will put you other bullets all over the place.

I think it also has the basic four clips to begin with. Where as the FAL only gets three for some reason.

What makes it really overpowered is just that it does almost anything  that the other guns can... all at once. You can snipe with it, you can  do close range with it, you can run and gun with it, but it does it more effectively. Why snipe and have to line up one good shot on a moving target when the 3-hot burst put in front of them is almost guaranteed to hit at least once. Why even use the other assault rifles when this one has almost full auto and is much more accurate? Why use anything that's good for hip-firing when this suffers the least accuracy loss of any weapon? Why even use an LMG when it takes only one burst to kill with the AR-16?

If I were to  change it, I'd nerf the damage a bit. (Not to ruin it.) But enough that you'd at least need two decently placed 3-shot bursts. (Mainly to stop people from getting more or less "instagibbed" Then I'd limit the re-fire rate after bursts. This would force people to make each burst count rather than spraying wildly or emptying a whole clip for no good reason.

Now I have to agree with Max in that the LMGs are pretty easy.

If I could, I rework dang near all the weapons on FC2 to be more balanced.

The PKM is still the easiest for someone with almost no skill or at least no experience. Good accuracy, good damage, no recoil at all, lots of ammo, long range. you can just hip-fire all day and be as good as using the sights. It's the gun I used to finally start getting a decent kill-count. Smiley

The SAW is harder to use because of its crazy recoil. you mostly can't fire this from the hip unless you're in shotgun range. But once you can handle the recoil (which isn't too hard for even a complete noob) the SAW becomes almost a deadly as the AR-16. The main reason is that you can just keep firing for a hell of a long time and not have to reload. Plus the damage is very high for what an LMG should be like.  (I think low damage, high fire rate and ammo count, good for pinning down a team or providing cover fire.)

Basically, anyone with just the slightest amount of skill can use the AR-16 and tear up a whole team. In the hands of a decent-to-good player and they'll become damn near unstoppable. It handles almost all situations better than everything so there's no need to grab a different gun as the situations change.

As I've said, skill is skill and I respect that. I know when someone has skill and uses this gun or if it's just a noob. I've also said I've got nothing against people who use the gun. It's stupid and wrong to ban someone or hate on them for using something that was meant to be in the game. Again, it's always Ubi's fault.

As an example, I was hosting yesterday and had 5 diamonds available. There was one player (Undead, you know who I mean, everyone else, you probably don't know him) that we knew immediately would take the AR, and he did. He was tearing everything up and always had one of the highest kill counts. Then Ubi cut off all the servers and when I rehosted I turned the diamonds to zero. Sure enough, our nameless player joined again and was the perfect test subject. With not AR immediately available we guessed he might quit but no... He stayed and used everything from the PKM to the G3-KA4 and maybe a sniper a little bit. He couldn't get kills at all. Where his score with the AR was almost 20 (and sometimes was) out of 50 max. His score without it wasn't even into the double digits. That's what I hate about the AR-16, it takes away peoples general skill and focuses it on only one gun, they don't need to know anything except how to use that gun.

On a side note, no diamonds was quite fun, with fewer weapons available, people tried things they hadn't and I noticed some players who usually only use one gun (guess which one) were actually somewhat proficient with other weapons. Even once they had enough diamonds for what they usually used, they continued to use a bunch of different weapons. I may have to do this more often, or at most one diamond.
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« Reply #41 on: July 20, 2010, 12:02:21 PM »

Good summary Neg, and I agree completely agree that the AR-16 is the best "all-purpose" gun in the game, and quite deadly in the hands of a skilled user.

My opinion is if you throw brand new players into a game, one side with the PKM and the other with AR-16...the PKM team would win almost every time. It's just way to easy to use and the accuracy for an LMG is incredible...aimed or not.

If a player has good skills, they can bunny hop/crouch walk long enough to survive any encounter and come out on top with most weapons in the game.
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« Reply #42 on: July 20, 2010, 01:18:20 PM »

I only use the AR-16 in close range maps like, Elevator Action.  I think the FAL is the best all around weapon.  It has extreme accuracy and power to go along with it. 
Like I said all Guns are even. 
The pistol is arguably the best weapon in my book.  Pull this baby out with a steady hand and take out a user of any other gun in even one shot if you're aim is good enough.  And it can shoot just about as far as anything else.
The AR has a smaller clip size, so you better  be accurate when you use it.  Great for a group of enemies and for deadly quickness.  Keep an eye on your ammo.  But the uzi you get as a side here will be helpful for lack of range or when your clip is empty.
The FAL has deadly accuracy from almost any reasonably large distance.  The clip size here also limits your ability to slay a large group.
The LMG's are great for somebody who doesn't like to reload every 30 seconds.  Also great for huge groups of opponents.  The accuracy is awesome, provided you have learned how to stead the gun or shoot in small bursts.
The Sniper is and will always be my favorite weapon in the game.  Clip size and time between shots is where you will find your downfall here.  Just pull out your pistol for close range when using this.
I don't use any other guns besides the ones I mentioned here.  At least not often enough to explain how I use them.
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« Reply #43 on: July 20, 2010, 01:40:05 PM »

i like the AR-16   :Smiley  Its efective in most situations very all round gun

But its not the only weapon i use  i also love the AK-47
Mostly i just switch classes depending on wich map i am playing.



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« Reply #44 on: July 20, 2010, 04:49:35 PM »

what are you guys talking about? the mp5 is where its at.  Shocked Grin
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